It was manufactured from about 1936 to 1954. panels. Llama made a lot of different 9mms and .45s. The code should be found on the left side of the frame just above the trigger or under the frame and it will be identified by a * over the letter or a * over the letter and number year code. Spend time playing with and bonding with your llama before you start dating. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. This is also a good example of how hidden proomarks can be. I was identical to Mod. 0000004154 00000 n Stronger Guns. 0000079047 00000 n The web site that has the codes does not mention it, but there is a small * above and between the letter and the number. IV and is, therefore, the original Llama pistol, manufacture of which dates from 1932. commercial contract Spanish Gabilondo Y Cia "Llama" Model I semi-auto Hello - the only marks of any kind I can find on my Llama Especial - 380 is the #26 on the left side of the grip safety - at the tip of the thumb safety lever. Shipping: $10.00 Accepted Payment Methods: Returns: No Returns Likewise, the year 1981 was represented with the code A2. User Agreement 0000012824 00000 n 0000008413 00000 n adam762 Apr 7, 2019 adam762 Well-known member Gold Contributor FALaholic # 11334 Joined Jul 28, 2003 Posts 5,118 Location Washington Court House, OH Feedback: 269 / 1 / 0 So based on what I know about dating Spanish pistols, this could either be 1927, 1932, or Jan of 1978. Mod. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. My book on Beretta 391 Disassembly is no longer available. Though 100% of armor in those early days was tested, this rapidly changed to batch testing, which is what we have now with most firearms. 0000060510 00000 n 1967 = XXIII. Odd-looking due to its nearly straight grip orientation and narrow slide, the blowback-action 9mm Largo gun was successful enough to remain in production for more than 30 years, spinning off the 9mm Luger-chambered Astra 600 and .32ACP or .380 ACP-chambered Astra 300 variants. A document sent to me some time ago, and which I just now noticed, is the same sheet as the above table from the nice people at Ipar Guns. 175). This logo is said to have been used on the Mexican made Llamas but they were III-A's. Also used by Spain in the early years. Insert a loaded magazine into the handle of the pistol. This is located on the left side of the gun, just below the barrel. Oops. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Llama pistol date codes? Unscrew and remove the trigger guard from the frame. Spanish Year of Proof Codes for Star, Llama, Astra and others. The caliber is stamped just below the maker's name, "CAL Check the chamber to make sure it is empty, and then remove the magazine. Numrich Gun Parts Corporation. 0000009135 00000 n This compact, bushy plant produces bright red tomatoes that ripen early in the season. All rights reserved worldwide. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers this appears to be the export version of Mod. This dates from about 1935 and was produced until about 1954. This is a post-World War II production. Which is a coded date. After Spanish civil war, company moved its facilities to Vitoria, Spain, where it continued to build handguns under Llama trade name. Mod. Shortly after the production of this first model, a blowback style based upon the external shape of the Colt-Browning was introduced. Astras most successful design was the 300/400/600 series of pistols, which were very distinctive in their layout, one which was dubbed the Spanish Pipewrench. This Astra 600 in the Guns.com Vault is chambered in 9mm Luger. Visually check the chamber to ensure it is empty. All the examples on this page are highlighted in crayon; yours will not be this visible. Go for walks together. Besides coughing up clones of various FN and Mannlicher pistols, Star got in on the Ruby making enterprise in the Great War and in the 1920s began producing a series of innovative handguns such as the curious JO-LO-AR, and their take on John Brownings M1911. Nope, Llama Martial. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! hb```b``e` cc`a &! 0000048483 00000 n Place your fingers through the trigger guard and grasp the handle firmly. 0000008934 00000 n 0000007757 00000 n Z=1954, A1 = 1955 etc . It is marked .38 caliber rather than 9 mm. When first issued no model number was assigned but the factory catalog designation was No. Unscrew and remove the magazine release from the frame. IX First described as a recoil-operated style of the Mod. Dates of 0000015357 00000 n Earlier issues had a lanyard ring at bottom of left side of the grip frame, but this ring was omitted in later issues and the grip pieces were redesigned. 0000014473 00000 n The year code may appear on the frame above the trigger or under the grip Fax: 877.486.7278. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. 1927, Spanish law has required that every firearm manufactured in Spain Copyright & Trademarks VII, but with the addition of a grip safety. xref 0000013902 00000 n When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Specializing in clones of FN pistols and various S&W revolvers, they catapulted into fame, of a sort, with their Ruby pistol in 1914. VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. Llama IIIA series 1 variation 1- 380 acp, Locked breech,161 mm overall length, three vents in the rib, 1955 into 1969. Get to know your llama. Fixed sights. This is purely a conjecture. Mod. . III This was a 9 mm. Largo (Bergmann) caliber. 0000009797 00000 n gun was exported to a different country as a military acquisition. Date Codes" in this section. For year, there is a date code on all Spanish pistols since 1927 Google "Spanish pistol date codes" 11th May 2010, 11:56 #22. It was an imitation of Colt Mod. 0000012432 00000 n 0000007089 00000 n So i picked up a used Llama ixa and was wondering how to get a year of production.Got little info from a google search ,made between 1955 and 1976 ser. began with A in 1927, and after reaching Z in 1954, continued with A1 in Nazi World War Two The pistol would fail-to-feed every 2 or 3 rounds and the lead would have a smile where it caught on the feed ramp. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. Take out the base pin, located at the front of the frame and above the trigger. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected. 0000017260 00000 n I am not sure the same coding scheme is used for long arms, but try it and if it sounds right, it might be. Remove the slide stop pin from the frame. Elgoiba (Espana). Remove the hammer and mainspring assembly from the frame, located just above the trigger. There was no proof house in Eibar before 1927. Serial Number - Date Proof - Year of Manufacture - Month/Year of Import - Caliber - Importer - Additional Info Browning BDA-345RR-1101-HH-1977-9mm = Thanks to Buster30290-345RR-2599-HH-1977-9mm = Thanks to MusProd. VII. pistol. Google "Spanish pistol date codes" for a chart. Design, code & content when not otherwise indicated are 1995-2023 Steven Hoober SaveShare Reply schutzen-jager 1946 = 2. Principal among these was a trio of pistol and revolver makers that operated primarily from the Eibar area in northern Spains Basque region Astra, Llama, and Star. IV. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. 0000011072 00000 n Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers. # start ser. The deal included a partial box of some cheap 9mm ammo with cast bullets. IV This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. The first pistol produced was an exact copy of the Colt Mod. Please start a new thread and add some pictures to it. 1911A1 Colt. A representative sample of each lot of weapons is tested with a proofing cartridge, which has vastly higher pressure than the normal specifications. 528. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. Star Firearms Production Dates By Year Code Dates of Production by Model for Llama FIREARMS Since approximately 1927, Spanish law has required that every firearm manufactured in Spain be submitted to the Eibar Proof House for testing prior to being released for sale. At least one reader has a model PD with, apparently, the month and year of manufacture directly stamped on the frame. A SPANISH pistol is currently worth an average price of $330.65 new and $202.21 used . For some reason this first model produced later was designated Model IV. Parabellum, 9 mm. Push out the hammer pin and remove the hammer, sear, and sear spring. 0000016042 00000 n VI may have been given to these pistols. I assume the Star chart is accurate for the Llama? All of the major parts have 144 stamped on them (bbl, slide, frame, slide stop) There . Fully recoil-operated Llama pistols of the Mod. GBGuns. the frame "GECO". In the companys later years, they produced guns geared towards the concealed carry market like the Firestar and Ultrastar. For Llama pistols built prior to 1936 slide marking reads: "GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM/.380IN LLAMA". Although I do not specifically address it, this should therefore work for Astras, Llamas, and any other handgun. Trade mark patents usually bear the prefix Mar." (for Marca) and in the same period they ran from 30,000 to 40,000. If the firearm passed both the visual It takes 60 days for Red Rocket tomatoes to reach maturit. Though there was another one operating for a short time in the early 1920s, Eibar is the one and only Spanish government proof house for most of the 20th century. be submitted to the Eibar Proof House for testing prior to being released Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod.1911. Please refer to the References . As seen below, there are four possible marks on any Star firearm. Llama FIREARMS. 0000006231 00000 n A Model X-1 has been noted, but details are unknown. The oldest of the three by a year, Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, best known as Llama, dated back to 1904 when the company ran under the banner of its two principal gunsmiths, Gabilondo y Urresti. Mod. Red Rocket is a determinate tomato variety that is well-suited to hot, muggy climates like those found south of Memphis. 9 m/m 38 "Llama" On the right side of the slide is "LLAMA" EXTRA..no other markings on the slide. These ranged in caliber from .45ACP down to .380 and were imported under a variety of monickers with 9mm Luger variants being the most popular. Remove the cylinder pin located at the front of the frame and above the barrel. However, their guns remain as a testament to the companys legacy and are a hit with collectors today. Open the action of the gun and remove the barrel from the receiver. Very nice gift, specially with the extra magazines. This is located at the front of the slide, and will require some pressure to remove. Back to "Llama" Llama 9mm. Privacy Policy. It might appear on the box label, however, so everyone look around and tell me if that seems true. K-Mart Classics: Remingtons Nylon Rimfires Engineered To Last. Llama was born in Spain over 100 years ago but now resides in the Philippines. 0000003439 00000 n Largo, and .45 ACP. From 1927 onward, the proof mark additionally was accompanied by a letter code, indicating the year of proofing. Many materials reproduced here are copyrighted by their respective owners, and may not be reproduced without permission. The Spanish government proof house set up 28 letters or letter-combinations that replace years, starting in 1927. Mod. "Spanish Year Of MFG. Join Tomato Lovers & Participate in the Ukrainian Tribute Growout! A further improvement of the blowback pattern was undertaken and this second blowback style was issued from 1935 on. The latter would include the Star Model A and B, the Modelo Super, compact Star BKS/BM, Star M-series, and even the Mustang-sized Star DK. All Rights Reserved, Astra, Llama & Star: Spending Time with Some Spanish Pistols. I do not know when the date is added, but note that it is not exactly the date of manufacture, but the date of proof, which is always later. for 0000005854 00000 n In spite of me looking everywhere on the gun, I can find no date code. 0000010495 00000 n Learn more in the Cambridge English-Spanish Dictionary. Manufactured by GABILONDO Y CIA, ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) in 1943, and accordingly marked on the left side of the slide and frame (Spanish date code). Commercial proofing. The new value of a SPANISH pistol has risen $68.88 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $330.65 . By collecting seeds from your own garden or buying them in bulk, you can save money on future purchases. XV.-This is a .22 caliber (Long Rifle) pistol which follows the same general design as the other recent Llama models. Examples: Monday, today, last week, Mar 26, 3/26/04, http://star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml. 1990 = AZ. During 1969 the Hi-Power pistol Serial Number code was changed to a two digit year and "C" prefix. commercial contract Spanish Gabilondo Y Cia "Llama" Model I semi-auto I, to which no model number was originally assigned. Kingston, NY 12401. I found a D*2 on the other side of the barrels. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! 1989 = AU. Here's what you need to know about the project. Both are identical to the Llama Mod. Mod. This version was imported long ago by Garcia in Washington D.C. and is in mint condition. In 1931, company began to produce a semi-automatic pistol based on Colt Model 1911. They may be under the stocks, and on small guns, very often are completely or partly under the grip panels. The exact year of manufacture can be found at this link for most Spanish firearms as the date codes were government mandated along with proof marks. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles New Member . 226 Williams Ln. There are 3 on a typical commerical arm, and four on a typical military arm. They were of high quality and have been sold around the world. Pull those off (for many guns, like the Firestar, be careful not to move the safety as a plunger can become dislodged and fly away, lost forever when the grips are off) and look if you have no other luck. MUGICA Tradename on Llama pistols made for Jose Mugica of Eibar, Spain. VIII This is identical to the Mod. An unexpected firearms powerhouse throughout the 20th Century, Spain exported quality firearms around the globe that are increasingly collectible. Pull out the magazine release button and its spring. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. There are 28 letters or letter-combinations, as explained in the chart below. Get Guns.com offers and news!! Spanish shops quickly began making their own copies of this very popular pistol, and one of them hit the proverbial jackpot. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. 0000006710 00000 n As these guns took readily-available blanks and looked very similar to the classic M1911, the Star 9mm appeared in literally hundreds of movies and TV shows in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. The left side of the slide is marked Gabilondo Y Cia. 131 0 obj <> endobj For the small European and Bersa .22's. Until you have time to test fire sufficiently. 0000070075 00000 n These were . Registered Member. 529. It may be a special variant of the Mod. Years ser. If they are just standard models not customized, then $500-$600 for both sounds more like it to me. 0000007436 00000 n When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. Largo/.38 ACP is identical to Mod. This patent covers not only the Grub's Mystery Green, but also Brads Atomic Grape and Barrys Crazy Cherry. Llama pistols are now made in the Philippines, by Metro Arms and imported into the U.S. by Eagle Imports of Wanamassa, New Jersey. After WWI, Gabilondo y Urresti changed the company name to Llama and updated their catalog with several updates to the Colt M1911 design, which remained in production as the Llama Max series into the 2000s, as well as revolvers such as the Comanche and Martial series, which were cloned S&Ws in many respects. Take out the hammer and mainspring assembly and set aside. They are usually on and/or near the front of the trigger guard. http://www.star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml, The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Mike, none of the marks you show are the date code. III-A This post-World War II version of Mod. On a Llama it is usually on the left side of the frame just above the trigger guard. Unload the gun and make sure it is clear of all ammunition. Production by Model In fact, yours may be quite hard to find or read. # end 1945-194819999Since 1968-1969 was a transition period in Browning 0001 . To know factually, it will work with H-P's and low velocity ammo. It . LLama Model I was a blowback pistol based on Browning designs and was introduced in 1933. Mod. In 1914, the company of Gabilondo y Urresti (later to become known as Llama) built a better-than-average 1903 copy called the Ruby, chambered for .32ACP and with a 9-round magazine (larger than most of these types of . As implied above, with proof date codes, you can get an accurate and reasonably precise date on your Star pistol. X This pistol, in 7.65 mm. After Spanish civil war, company moved its facilities to Vitoria, Spain, where it . Manufactured by GABILONDO Y CIA, ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) in VII This pistol in 9 mm. Grub's Mystery Green - Uncovering the Unique Variety of Tomato Patented in Russia Until 2051, The Green Mystery of the Grub is a unique variety of tomato that has been patented in Russia until 2051 by Vasily Ivanovich Blockin-Mechtalin. Reims 1914 .25 ACP Semi-Auto (Azanza Arrizabalaga) Ruby .25 ACP (Grip Safety Model) Victoria 1911. 0000065199 00000 n Spanish production dates. with a variety of proofmarks. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 1984 according to the site - seems a lot more likely. V Made in 9 mm. The testing includes a detailed visual inspection as well Created Date: 3/14/2012 10:40:20 AM . 0000019854 00000 n For Llama pistols built prior to 1936 slide marking reads: "GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM/.380IN LLAMA". Also think like the manufacturer. The table below indicates the various year codes. 7.65M/M (32) "LLAMA"". LLama Max 1 l/f; John needs your help . This is not just accidentally under the stocks because it was stamped before assembly, but deliberately along the backstrap portion, very hidden from view unless searched for. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. Stay in the know. The fruit typically ranges from 8 to 10 ounces and is smooth with no blemishes or cracks. Push down on the slide lock lever located at the rear of the gun and pull the slide back. Have something to ask or share? 0000003050 00000 n I hope posting here is appropriate - it may be helpful in the future. This pistol is still in production. Imported to Nazi Germany during the World War Two by. 0 II This 9 mm. #925888. USA - - (Ammoland.com)- Some may remember the Llama brand of old. . After the close of World War II certain models were dropped, grip safeties were added to the remaining models, and a .22 caliber pistol was introduced. Current production Llama pistols will show a slide marking with "LLAMA CAL" or "GABILONDO Y CIA VITORIA (ESPANA)" and Llama logo. Take out the safety lever and its spring. In 1980s, firm introduced a new line of pistols that were more modern in design and function. 0000012066 00000 n 0000016515 00000 n 0000009048 00000 n Release the slide and allow it to move forward. stamped with a letter code indicating the year that the arm passed proof. For pistols built after 1936 slide marking reads: "LLAMA GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM .380". 10 Best ways to Make Money on Social Media and not waste time. Same firm that was founded in 1904 and produced several inexpensive revolvers and pistols prior to 1931. There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000005364 00000 n Anyone have a date code chart for the Llama 380 small 1911 look alike? To this weapon was given the trade name Llama" which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. 0000079298 00000 n Check Gun Broker to get a better idea of prices for Llamas. The Spanish government set up a proof house in Eibar starting in 1923. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Welcome to the updated GunBroker.com forums. Original factory magazine. However, there is a completely different system of date codes and maker codes that . This practice became most organized, and earned the name of "proofing" with the advent of firearms, when armor plates were proof tested to assure their resistance to (proof against) early gunfire. Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. Mod. 0000070355 00000 n Gustav Genschow AG in Hamburg, and accordingly marked on the left side of Mike, none of the marks you show are the date code. Send me email be sure to leave the subject line prefix or your message will be filtered out! To further disassemble, use a screwdriver to remove the screws and pins located on the frame and slide. Besides Spain, the guns were used by Germany, Finland, and Portugal, among others. Additionally, no proof date code means only "pre-1930" not "pre-1927.". Remove the barrel from the slide by pulling it off. Push the slide to the rear and hold it in that position. Victor1911. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Remove the grip panels and the pistol frame. It is still in production. Parabellum caliber was produced. Mini-Mag solids is always my go to ammo. Its headquarters were in Eibar in the Basque Country, Spain, but they also had workshops during different times in Elgoibar and Vitoria. Seed saving is a great way to ensure the survival of your plants, and it's also an economical choice. The model S photo to the left shows the typical location and appearance of proofmarks on Star pistols. 25. caliber, was issued along with Mod. In addition to the proofmark, it was Llama especials are very sensitive and will only be comfortable with someone they trust. trailer It's still a bit of a mess, but if you are not seeing it, there's the proof house admission seal, the proof house pass seal, large letters apparently reading "T1" below this. Current production Llama pistols will show a slide marking with "LLAMA CAL." It dates from about 1935 and is believed to have replaced the first two models in distribution and to have been dropped from production in 1954. The company expanded during WWI with getting in on the Ruby pistol racket and emerged the better for it and by 1921 engineer Pedro Careaga had developed the Astra 400, which would replace the Campo-Giro in the Spanish military. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. rufe-snow 18,649. The one at the top looks like an original used Llama mag, but the three at the bottom kind of strike me as being Triple K copies. Blued. JavaScript is disabled. 2023 GunBroker.com, LLC. Most other countries, do, including Spain. Gunswapper Member Posts: 1,006 . quote:Originally posted by AdamsQuailHunter. 0000004721 00000 n Additionally, by selecting varieties that are well-suited for your climate and soil type, you can increase the chances of success with each planting season. It was produced from 1936 and was still made in 1953 but does not appear in 1955 factory literature. III is distinguished by the addition of the grip safety but otherwise is the same as Mod. 0000017958 00000 n Make: Llama Model: Martial Serial Number: S806430 Year of Manufacture: 1969-1976 Caliber:.38 Special Action Type: Single and Double Action Revolver with Swing-Out Cylinder Markings: The left side of the barrel is marked "Gabilondo y CIA. Just use this handy translation code list. At the bottom of it is, however, another note. Next, remove the barrel from the slide. Automatic pistols made by Gabilondo from 1914 to 1933 were based on Browning F.N. Pull the trigger return spring out of the frame. Since the dawn of organized weapons makers and armies, the purchasing governments have demanded a system for assuring that the products live up to their promised specifications. Under that is CAL. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Every 28 years or so (there are inexplicable gaps) they start a new series, by adding a number to the end of the letter codes. Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. It appears that this patent is exclusive to the Russian Federation, with exporting to Belarus and K-stan and importing from Germany being allowed. First, make sure your seeds are dry before sending them in. I looked under the grips - both sides - nothing there. As implied above, with proof date codes, you can get an accurate and reasonably precise date on your Star pistol. However, factory literature of 1936-39 shows this model in .45 cal.